#191300 eugene Tue Jan 15th 01:32:36 2008
george, altho i don't know what you're talking about, if these are "pranks" done b'zadon, out of malice against a community and in order to desecrate their holy places, then yes, i agree that the vandalism done by jews in the old Balad-a-Sheikh cemetery was just like what you say.
#191301 george Tue Jan 15th 01:54:22 2008
So is this a hoax or are they really showing their ignorance in not knowing the difference between head of state (the Queen) and head of government (passing laws). That is aside from showing what their their manhood means by threatening an octanogarian lady.
www.israelnationalnews.com/SendMail.aspx?print=print&type=0.1&item=139750
#191302 george Tue Jan 15th 01:59:58 2008
191300 eugen
You don't know about Avisahi Raviv? I am sure a google search would give plenty of hits.
As an interesting co-incidence, this just showed up www.israelnationalnews.com/SendMail.aspx?print=print&type=0.1&item=139725 So what conclusion is to be drawn? That Bush is anti-Semitic? That the U.S. is anti-Semitic? Or that a few jerks are nothing but a few jerks.
#191303 eugene Tue Jan 15th 04:41:07 2008
george, i don't think i really need to know who this raviv is.
the point is that there are jerks, anti-semitic and anti-muslim and anti-anti all over the world and they weren't invented in saudi arabia.
#191304 ben Tue Jan 15th 08:11:07 2008
from tactius:
There accompanied him twenty cohorts of our allies, eight squadrons of horse, as also the Kings Agrippa and Sohemus, a body of auxiliaries from King Antiochus, and a band of Arabs natural enemies to the Jews through an antipathy usual between contiguous nations.
#191305 ben Tue Jan 15th 11:34:31 2008
george
re 191302
that the US, even if antisemitism has very shallow roots there, is not immune to hatred. but i am not sure how anyone could make a statement about the US being antisemitic based on that crime.
#191306 ben all the news that's fit to something or the other Tue Jan 15th 12:00:10 2008
from ynetnews:
Justices of the High Court of Justice spoke out strongly against the ‘kosher’ bus lines serving the haredi community during deliberations on a petition against them Monday.
from the jpost on the same subject:
On Monday, a panel of judges chaired by the modern Orthodox Elyakim Rubinstein seemed to show empathy and understanding for the haredi community's desire to strictly separate the sexes on public buses, according to haredim who were present at the discussions.
go figure.
#191307 eugene Tue Jan 15th 17:02:16 2008
There accompanied him twenty cohorts of our allies, eight squadrons of horse, as also the Kings Agrippa and Sohemus, a body of auxiliaries from King Antiochus, and a band of Arabs natural enemies to the Jews through an antipathy usual between contiguous nations.
ben, were these arabs "islamofascists" by any chance?
#191308 Wael Tue Jan 15th 17:31:56 2008
George,
War is like that.
Hundreds of destroyed/depopulated Arab villages is not the result of war George. Its the result of ethnic cleansing.
That conflict has been going on since the beginnings of recorded history
Another self-serving crap. Complete and utter nonsense.
#191309 Wael Tue Jan 15th 17:58:44 2008
As a trend, this makes feel that if push-comes-to-shove, there are plenty out there (with the reigns of government in their grasp) who would just as soon blow up everyone, even if it means blowing themselves up in the process. National, or global, suicide bombers.
George is analyzing Muslim "destructive" trends from his comfortable chair in Canada. And while George is entertaining everyone with his philosophical sophistry, the rampage, killing, and destruction continues in Gaza.
#191310 Wael Tue Jan 15th 18:37:55 2008
There's nothing Israeli apologists would not say - even to the point of ridicule- to insinuate that this conflict is pre-historic and therefore cannot be understood by normal people with normal brains. Jewish persecution in Europe, The birth of Zionism, mass European Jewish immigration flooding Palestine, settlements, The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, hundreds and hundreds of depopulated villages, 40 years of continuing occupation..... No, you have to read Tacitus, know about Kings Agrippa and Sohemus, and please don't forget King Antioches...
Meanwhile, the killing in Gaza continues...
#191311 Wael Tue Jan 15th 18:42:39 2008
George,
to such events as the Arabs who volunteered, in unusually large numbers, to assist the Roman destruction of the Jewish Temple.....
I'm curious to know how did you conclude that the "Arab Bands" Tacitus mention "Volunteered". Did all the bands he mentions volunteered too ? and what is an "unusually large number" ? what would be the expected "usual" in this case ?
#191312 eugene Tue Jan 15th 19:13:44 2008
i must say, i thought i had heard all the possible nonsense surrounding this conflict.
but the "the arabs helped destroy the second beit hamikdash" line is a new one...
#191313 eugene Tue Jan 15th 20:02:47 2008
and please don't forget King Antioches...
Meanwhile, the killing in Gaza continues...
and please don't forget the qassams and continual terror activity from gaza...
the killing is likely to continue...
#191314 Wael Tue Jan 15th 21:08:53 2008
Eugene,
No, I'm not forgetting, I'll get to the Kassam's in a few months. Give me some time to grasp Tacitus, Kings Agrippa and Sohemus, King Antioches, the destruction of the Temple........ 1.5 million Palestinians imprisoned in the most heavily populated area in the world.....uh...I'll get to your Kassams at some point.
#191315 Will Tue Jan 15th 21:24:42 2008
Give me some time to grasp Tacitus, Kings Agrippa and Sohemus, King Antioches, the destruction of the Temple........
What does it all mean?
#191316 eugene Tue Jan 15th 21:28:44 2008
.uh...I'll get to your Kassams at some point.
ok wael.
in the meantime... if qassam shooting and terror raids are the highest priority of 1.5 million palestinians imprisoned in the most heavily populated area in the world then they'll have to get used to eat qassams.
#191317 Wael Tue Jan 15th 21:46:14 2008
Will,
Read George's 191296.
#191318 Will I'd rather eat qassams. Tue Jan 15th 22:10:04 2008
Read George's 191296.
Sorry Wael, I coundn't if I tried. By the time I reached the end of the first paragraph the blood leaking from my brain would be getting in the way of the blood leaking from my eyeballs to block my sight.
#191319 Wael Tue Jan 15th 22:17:05 2008
Eugene,
if qassam shooting and terror raids are the highest priority of 1.5 million palestinians imprisoned in the most heavily populated area in the world then they'll have to get used to eat qassams.
The vast majority of the 1.5 million Palestinian inmates of Gaza are living by on a day to day basis. However, some are indeed rioting. While its difficult to understand the arrogance in your statement, I've come to expect it over the years now, and frankly I don't care anymore, get used to eat qassams, Katyucha, Raad, Shihab too if that's your reply. Get used to eat all the above in Haifa and Tel-Aviv too
#191320 Wael Tue Jan 15th 22:17:42 2008
The "highest priority" on a Gaza beach.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WaCJn4hdjc
#191321 Wael Tue Jan 15th 22:20:52 2008
Will,
Ok, try to read the "Histories" by Tacitus. A translation can be found below.
http://classics.mit.edu/Tacitus/histories.html]
#191323 eugene Tue Jan 15th 23:37:26 2008
wael, i thought you were going to get to the qassams in a few months - what happened? already done with tacitus?
#191324 Joe Palestinian Authority Notice 32B Wed Jan 16th 03:27:39 2008
<<ATTENTION>>
We are now collecting funds for the "Hamas Resistance Against Zionist Aggression". Please send your check or money order to "HRAZA" POB 1136 Baltimore, MD, 21215.
Thank you.
Please be aware that your donation goes directly to the resistance fighters as no administration department exists.
#191326 ben Wed Jan 16th 08:16:54 2008
back to the 21st century for a moment:
yvette lieberman is expected to announce his leaving the government today, although i won't be surprised if he finds a way to stay in. assuming he goes olmert is expected to try and get yahadut hatorah to join. why he wants them instead of meretz i don't really understand. meretz would certainly be easier to work with and a lot less expensive.
ok back to tacitus.
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#191328 ben Wed Jan 16th 15:50:30 2008
wael/eugene/et al
this qassam diet, i searched for it on amazon and couldn't find anything. they only had titles like for fit for life and southbeach diet and stuff like that. where can i get more information on this qassam diet that you are talking about?
#191329 Barlpereord CyncCrorm@highrelevantsearch.com Wed Jan 16th 16:29:33 2008
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#191330 QualeTixTex formdor12@mail.ru Wed Jan 16th 16:33:01 2008
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#191331 eugene Wed Jan 16th 16:38:01 2008
this qassam diet, i searched for it on amazon and couldn't find anything. they only had titles like for fit for life and southbeach diet and stuff like that. where can i get more information on this qassam diet that you are talking about?
ben your're looking in the wrong place, ask the people in sderot they know about the steady qassam diet.
the people in gaza might be better off, the idf is serving them a more diversified menu.
#191332 Will Wed Jan 16th 17:14:17 2008
You know this place remains a reasonable reflection of the picture on the ground when it comes to attitudes and opinions.
On one hand you have reasonable minded people who can see that the immediate Gaza humanitarian crisis can only be addressed through diplomatic and political intervention. These people are generally pro-Palestinian in persuasion.
Then on the other side you have a cabal of childish cowboys with pathetic "eat hot lead" slogans. These are generally the anti-Palestinian side, dressing up intensely violent fascist ideals in a pro-Israel costume.
Thats much the way it is in the real political world too. Sloganeering, gun-toting Cowboys like Bush getting rich out of conflict whilst vacantly ranting about "supporting Israel". Whilst society in general just thinks that Gazans should be treated like humans.
Well done guys, you form the legitimate creepy side of a relevant popular debate.
#191333 ben Wed Jan 16th 17:22:58 2008
that the immediate Gaza humanitarian crisis can only be addressed through diplomatic and political intervention.
ah but when the pro israelis state that hamas should recognize israel, cease violent activities, and engage in negotiations with the GOI based on signed agreements the proarabs (or one proarab) give speeches about:
1) the rights of oppressed people to use violence
2) how hamas will never betray their principles
3) how the palestinians will never give into subjugation.
yes, facists, eat hot lead slogans indeed.
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#191335 maria etc. Wed Jan 16th 18:47:30 2008
Joe
Can you tell your tembel not to start bombing Iran until after March? I am too near the place for comfort
maria
#191336 maria etc. Wed Jan 16th 18:51:39 2008
Ben
How is the most over-reported-conflict-on-earth doing in my absence?
Seen from here and from the conditions of this corner of earth, it really looks smallish.
maria
#191337 ben Wed Jan 16th 19:11:04 2008
maria you just don't get it. the israeli palestinian conflict is at the heart of all problems in the middle east!
your favorite politician-criminal, lieberman, resigned today.
#191338 Joe Not all Pakistanis travel in motorcades Wed Jan 16th 19:20:37 2008
Can you tell your tembel not to start bombing Iran until after March? I am too near the place for comfort?
Maria hello!
I'm not sure where you are "near", but I wouldn't worry too much about The Tembel™.
I'd would be a little more concerned with terrorism.
Stay safe,
Joe
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#191339 Joe Wed Jan 16th 19:21:45 2008
Maria -
Added the link above for some laughs (free of charge, as always).
#191340 Will Comedy hour again. Wed Jan 16th 19:40:00 2008
Over reported ? Another classic.
There has never been a mention of the siege conditions in Gaza in main Stream media in Ireland that I can remember. There is never a mention of the bodycounts inflicted in Gaza each day. Never a mention of the deaths through lack of medical facilities, the births of babies and the deaths of sick people at checkpoints. Never a Mention of settlement expansion or settler attacks on Palestinian Arabs in the occupied territories. Come to think about it , never a mention of the occupation. The house demolitions the multiple kidnappings etc.etc.etc.
The only thing that was reported here about the whole obscene spectacle in Palestine was that silly Annapolis stunt and the "renewed hope for peace" bull, and the ever present Bush cabal that continually reiterates its commitment to making us all puke our rings up listening to the hypocrisy of it.
Over reported in your imagination.
#191342 eugene Wed Jan 16th 20:02:12 2008
...the siege conditions in Gaza...
"...sacks of a chemical used to make bombs were discovered by the Israel Defense Forces in packages disguised as EU sugar."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=939844&contrassID=1&subCon\
trassID=1
"The IAA recovered two tons of bomb-making material from a truck
attempting to smuggle the material into Gaza in the guise of a
humanitarian aid delivery."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/944592.html
#191348 ben Thu Jan 17th 07:50:15 2008
efraim
did your moshav get hit in yesterday's fun?
stay safe.
#191349 Thu Jan 17th 09:48:21 2008
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#191350 Barlpereord CyncCrorm@highrelevantsearch.com Thu Jan 17th 16:21:32 2008
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:
#191351 ben Thu Jan 17th 17:49:42 2008
like father, like daughter.
yvette lieberman's daughter is being investigated for various crimes involving lots of money.
#191352 Will Russian refugee on Palestinian land Thu Jan 17th 18:03:18 2008
Commenting on the resignation statement of the Israeli planning minister, Avder Lieberman,[Arab member of the Israeli parliament Ibraheem] Abdullh said that "Lieberman is a racist, Russian refugee on Palestinian land. He is a fascist and a racist and it is not worth wasting time responding to him."
#191353 ben Thu Jan 17th 19:02:38 2008
He is a fascist and a racist and it is not worth wasting time responding to him."
yeah but the arab mks never stop talking about yvette ):
#191354 Joe Making Sense out of Insanity Thu Jan 17th 19:32:25 2008
And if the liberal/yafeh nefesh weren't enough, now we have the beloved morons of the Neturei Karta to contend with:
We are appalled by the terrorist massacre performed by the Zionists in Gaza. This ferocious act is just one in a long line of oppressive acts of ethnic cleansing performed against the Palestinian people since 1948 by the evil Zionist movement," said their statement.
Which begs the question: When will the GOI require national service for ALL Israelis?
www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3495573,00.html
#191355 Joe The Moshiach: www.teslamotors.com/ Thu Jan 17th 19:38:32 2008
Jewish-Palestinian Encounter Pornography Update (may only be viewed in the company of a paying adult):
joshualandis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/bush_saudi.jpg
#191356 ben Thu Jan 17th 20:22:50 2008
joe
re NK
fyi most of the members of NK, especially the ones who run to tehran and kiss ahma whatever his name is, are not israeli citizens. they are from the US and europe.
#191357 geottoceernop gehendfeate@metaping.com Thu Jan 17th 22:04:25 2008
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And you?
#191358 TestName test@mail.com Fri Jan 18th 02:58:50 2008
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#191359 Joe Chakhchakhim for Peace Fri Jan 18th 04:54:22 2008
they are from the US and europe
Ben -
Wiki says "They are mostly concentrated in Jerusalem".
I really don't know. But if I were PM, I would require every Israeli citizen (Dosim, Aravim, Gruzinim, Zonot affelu Arsim m'kibbutz Ganot) to do national service.
#191360 ben Fri Jan 18th 05:54:59 2008
joe
sorry i should have been more exact. yes there is an NK community in jerusalem but the crazies live in new york, england and the continent.
#191361 eugene Fri Jan 18th 07:31:36 2008
yes there is an NK community in jerusalem but the crazies live in new york, england and the continent.
vus? rabbi moshe hirsch is not a crazy?
but real the question is: are the nk of jerusalem israeli citizens?
#191362 ben Fri Jan 18th 08:47:08 2008
But if I were PM, I would require every Israeli citizen (Dosim, Aravim, Gruzinim, Zonot affelu Arsim m'kibbutz Ganot) to do national service.
this is a good one joe, really a good one.
you aren't an israeli citizen, right? if you were there is like next to zero chance that you would get into the knesset. and even even in your wildest dreams where you would become PM, what does that mean " you would require national service for everyone. under what political constellation? the current one? in a fanatsy world where the likud takes 65 seats and doesn't include any hareidi party in the coalition? or would you simply send in the army to disperse the knesset and then send the mishmar hagevul to occupy har nof and wadi ara and drag these folks to the national service recruiment center?
#191363 ben Fri Jan 18th 08:51:37 2008
eugene
rav hirsch had his limits. afaik the nk folks are israeli citizens. the most famous (or infamous) member of the yerushalmi nk'ers is yehuda meshi zahav, the guy who started zaka (the organization that picks up body parts after terror attacks). he was an old nk boy from meah sharim who was in charge of organizing the "shabbos demostrations" or the "kever (grave site) demonstrations". but when the intifada started and on top of that these nk nutcases from america were cheering hamas on, he said "ad kan" (enough) and started working with the police, with the army, etc.
he still doesn't vote and still will fight the government on issues like gravesites.
#191364 ben Fri Jan 18th 09:06:31 2008
a character from likud politics in the 90s goes his way
Ra'anana's deputy mayor of 17 years, Uzi Cohen, died on Thursday night at Meir Hospital in Kfar Saba after doctors' attempts to save him from a heart-related incident failed.
#191365 Joe Fri Jan 18th 13:47:10 2008
if you were there is like next to zero chance that you would get into the knesset
There are too many political parties in Israel. It needs to be fixed. Fewer parties are needed. 2 or 3.
#191366 george Fri Jan 18th 13:54:20 2008
191311 Wael
As a matter of chronology, they were not subjugated by the Romans until later, and there was no mention of Arab mercenaries, so by the processes of elimination, they were volunteers. Besides, if I remember correctly, the expression used was something like "with the hatred of neighbours", an expression not used for the other groups involved (who were subjugated to the Roamns and/or were mercenaries).
#191367 george Fri Jan 18th 14:09:53 2008
191305 ben
I think my point was exactly that - a few broken Muslim gravestones in Israel proves nothing.
#191368 george Fri Jan 18th 14:20:06 2008
191308 Wael
So when did this start, in your opinion? 1948?
#191369 eugene Fri Jan 18th 14:24:22 2008
a few broken Muslim gravestones in Israel proves nothing.
well, add to that a few paved over muslim cemeteries, some destroyed misgadim (or turned into restaurants) and it starts proving something.
#191370 TestName test@mail.com Fri Jan 18th 14:31:54 2008
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#191371 ben Fri Jan 18th 14:41:11 2008
There are too many political parties in Israel. It needs to be fixed. Fewer parties are needed. 2 or 3.
and in that scenario you could become PM?
anyway it would make absolutely no difference what so ever. because these two or three parties would also need the votes of the hareidim and the arabs and would not do anything to upset the apple cart.
#191372 george Fri Jan 18th 15:18:20 2008
191369 eugene
what are "misgadim"?
As far as cemeteries are concerned, I know very little about them, so I give this link that talks about it news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article344233.ece
However, as far as the Israeli governemnt (or its para-government organizations) are concerned, this is what I have read about them. You are talking about secular extremists who care nothing about either the Jewish or non-Jewish dead. It is only the political clout, and violence, of the religious/hareidi that limits the government's mal-treatment of Jewish dead. For decades, there was a 100% autposy rate (excluding a few privileged, like the politicians and medical staff and their own families) on any Jewish corpse a secular-hospital got its hands on, including visitors from other countries who happened to die in a Israeli secular hospital. Such attitude remained with such people as Yehuda Hiss ("Infamous Chief Pathologist").
So yes, these secularists care nothing for eiter Jewish or non-Jewish corpses (aside from their own families).
#191373 eugene Fri Jan 18th 15:37:40 2008
...these secularists
ha ha
after learning that the "arabs" helped destroy the beis sheni, it's the "secularists" now who are desecrating cemeteries isn't it?
george, are you competing with will for the most hilarious post of the day?
#191374 eugene "mission accomplished" Fri Jan 18th 15:41:36 2008
ben,
don't worry, the chassidim sometimes suffer from the same "if i were king" complex as their rebbe.
you can see in the case of iraq how successful these fantasies are when they become reality.
Joe a link a line or two and zeh hu
#191376 eugene Fri Jan 18th 19:04:22 2008
joe you might want to get some of these buttons to remind you of your rebbe come next elections:
http://i7.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/cf/7e/4dd5_1.JPG
#191388 ben Sun Jan 20th 08:09:14 2008
hilary seems to be picking up some real steam. and the republican race is actually becoming a real race.
americans - how about a prediction for who takes the nominations?
#191389 Joe Sun Jan 20th 15:30:37 2008
Eugene -
What's the problem now? Can you explain in more detail so I don't make the same mistake again?
#191392 Will Burning down the stable after the horse forgot to bolt. Sun Jan 20th 17:25:11 2008
You're funny Joe,
Your last "post" reminds me of the ridiculous but apparently "true" story I heard about "George W Bush". It seems that everyday he gets into work there's this one guy who's job it is to show him a map of the world and to point out "America" and Iraq on it. Yeh !
The idea was, so that he wouldn't "make the same mistake again".
Go figure, Joe.
#191394 george Sun Jan 20th 17:29:30 2008
191373 eugene
I am not even in the same league. But what is your point, that the paving of cemeteries for highways is made by the hareidi government of Israel?
#191395 george Sun Jan 20th 17:36:00 2008
And speaking of the Israeli government, here is an opinion that the government enjoys an 8% approval rating from its citizens, yet maintains its stranglehold on affairs thanks to the leftist-secularist press and some clever "bribing"
www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1200308085522&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
#191396 george Sun Jan 20th 17:47:28 2008
Who is primarily the intended audience for this remark - U.S.? Israel? Iran? other?
www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1200572490414&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
#191397 george Sun Jan 20th 17:51:01 2008
One person's story ...
www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1200475901876&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1200475901923&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
#191399 ben Sun Jan 20th 22:23:32 2008
george
re 191395
narishkiet. olmert is in power because that is the system of government. no one, not bibi, or meretz, or zveulen orlev has convinced a majority of knesset members to dissolve the government. many (but yes, not all) in the press, including some of the most leftist writers, have been calling for his resignation since the war ended. whether he has 8% or 80% is irrelevant until elections are called.
right wingers love to blame the press for their own failures. here the right wing (and center/left for that matter) have failed to convince the labor party that the government should be dissolved. the press has little to do with this.