#192002 ben Sun Feb 17th 18:41:25 2008
Im not sure what your saying, Ben.
just writing what i read in haaretz, quoting the idiot's neighbors who stated that that they thought that the deaths were caused by a qassam explosion, not by an idf missile.
and yes there is a huge difference between storing ordinance and storing a rifle and some bullets.
#192003 Will Sun Feb 17th 18:56:26 2008
But supposimg the army just dropped a bomb on them ?
What then?
#192004 george Sun Feb 17th 19:02:17 2008
Will
I have no idea what a "line" test is, so I have no idea what you are saying. And despite Maimonides' concern that the brains of us northerners might be frozen, I am pretty sure I did not write that post. As my suspicions on the matter of that post are not in consonance with peaceful and polite banter, I shall keep those opinions to myself. But I do offer another irrelevant item on the matter of the now infamous assassination that is being touted as a harbinger of planned world-wide-nasty-retaliation to come:
www.israelnationalnews.com/SendMail.aspx?print=print&type=0.1&item=141635
#192005 ben Sun Feb 17th 19:13:52 2008
But supposimg the army just dropped a bomb on them ?
well, supposing it was the zionists who caused the san fransisco earthquake, then what?
#192006 ben Sun Feb 17th 19:19:49 2008
Targeting Hizbollah leaders for assassination especially outside Lebanon is dead serious,
i only wish that hizzbollah leaders had thought about how serious it is to target idf soldiers as well.
#192008 HS Mon Feb 18th 01:40:32 2008
Will the truth teller ?
You did not respond to my question . "What proof have you that Hamas will agree to a two state solution ? "
Your answer reminds me of an old American Indian saying . " White man, you speak with a forked tongue ".
In your quote Hamas is will to agree to a " hudna " Historic translation. We will agree to a temporary truce until we feel strong enough to cut your throat .
Your following quotes prove my point .
Q:Do you " Hamas "recognize Israel's right to exist?
A: The answer is to let Israel say it will recognize a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, release the prisoners and recognize the rights of the refugees to return to Israel. Hamas will have a position if this occurs.
Translation !
If you admit 4 million Palestinians into Israel we will then consider what to do . This of course would be the end of Israel . No commitment to a two state solution will be required .
( Note they don't say return to Palestine . Most of them never lived in Israel.)
Q: Will you recognize Israel?
A: If Israel declares that it will give the Palestinian people a state and give them back all their rights, then we are ready to recognize them.
TransIation: What rights ? The right to destroy Israel ?
Q:Do you recognize Israel's right to exist ?
.
A: The answer is to let Israel say it will recognize a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, release the prisoners and recognize the rights of the refugees to return to Israel. Hamas will have a position if this occurs.
.TRanslation : After Israel commits suicide we will have no problem .No two state solution .
The above Hamas hogwash was written
two years ago.
The more recent statement by Hamas and their constitution doesn't play linguistic games but sets forth its position clearly . How do you respond to the following :
Mahmoud Zahhar is the Hamas foreign minister .He states he is opposed to a Palestinian state as follows , "We , the Palestinians , never had an independenf state in history . We were part of an Arab state and an Islamic state " .
Hamas says " The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgment Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up."
#192015 HS Mon Feb 18th 09:02:22 2008
Will : An other quote for you to digest . What does these quotes make you look like with your phony defense of Hamas ?
Abu Zuhri,Hamas spokesperson , repeated, Hamas may offer a
"long-term truce" with Israel but
he woud never recognise the Jewish state's right to
exist.
#192016 ben Mon Feb 18th 12:05:01 2008
a snow storm is predicted for this afternoon, with the bulk of the snow falling in lebanon and parts north. any damage, deaths, etc should be blamed on the zionists, of course.
Keep it non personal
#192018 Will Mon Feb 18th 16:17:09 2008
Norman Finkelstein's advice to Palestinians:
That is exactly what they should be doing in the West Bank. One million Palestinians armed with picks and hammers should go to that wall and say "The International Court of Justice (ICJ) said this wall has to be dismantled. We are implementing the ICJ decision. We are knocking down the wall."
Ben, Efraim, Steve any Israelis , (or anyone else FTM)
If they did this, do you think the army would shoot them ?
#192020 george Mon Feb 18th 17:23:02 2008
To continue with my irrelvancies. In this case, the continued Isareli Supreme Court. What does it mean when a sitting Supreme Court Judge states to the press "If the Knesset approves his legislation, I will hand my concern over to every Israeli citizen"?
www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1203265097192&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
#192021 Wael Mon Feb 18th 18:34:43 2008
Ben,
cc Will,
well, supposing it was the zionists who caused the san fransisco earthquake, then what?
Then it would be stupid, no doubt about it.
However it is not unlikely that Israel drops bombs on houses to get "one man" knowing that civilians would be killed. Does "Salah Shehadeh" ring a bell ?
#192022 Wael Mon Feb 18th 19:00:41 2008
Will,
cc Ben, Eugene,
I've already got an answer to my question a long time ago. You see, bombing a power station prevents smuggling the kidnapped soldier out of the country, so its by all mean self defense. I'm not joking, really, I've got from the horse's mouth :
JS : Is it an act of terror ?
JS: Why do you need to bomb a power station for ?
Israeli ambassador : To stop them from smuggling out the soldier
JS : How does it stop someone from smuggling the soldiers ?
Israeli ambassador :There will be minimum light at night.....
JS : Surely you need darkness to smuggle someone..
[ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8VK6VxDNFc&feature=related]
#192023 ben Mon Feb 18th 19:38:51 2008
However it is not unlikely that Israel drops bombs on houses to get "one man" knowing that civilians would be killed.
wael
i am not stating 100% that the idf had nothing to do with fayed's death, but there are a couple of things not being mentioned. normally the idf doesn't deny these killings. saleh's death wasn't denied. and hamas isn't claiming that fayed was killed by the idf. so why should i?
#192024 ben Mon Feb 18th 19:52:05 2008
wael
any idea how much hamas paid that guy to talk such stupidity?
#192025 Wael Mon Feb 18th 20:32:24 2008
Ben,
What guy ?
#192026 Wael Mon Feb 18th 20:35:10 2008
Ben,
Any snow around ?
#192027 Wael Mon Feb 18th 21:21:07 2008
HS,
cc Will,
Will : An other quote for you to digest . What does these quotes make you look like with your phony defense of Hamas ?
Abu Zuhri,Hamas spokesperson , repeated, Hamas may offer a
"long-term truce" with Israel but
he woud never recognise the Jewish state's right to
exist.
So what ? the issue is semantics now ? I would take 20, 30, or 50 years of peace anytime over meaningless debates on the origin of species. So Palestinians do not recognize "your" so-called "right" to immigrate en mass to their homeland -and screw their lives in the process - but they're willing to offer decades of "peace" and you're mumbling about stupid semantics.
But of course that's not the issue, simply put Israel is not ready, not for peace nor for its inevitable requirements. And as long as it has the backing of the greatest super power mankind ever known while it cries rivers over its "threatened existence" to the rest of the planet, nothing will change.
#192028 ben Mon Feb 18th 21:52:00 2008
wael
re the guy: the ambassador on youtube.
re the snow: just rain.
#192029 Wael Mon Feb 18th 21:58:48 2008
Ben,
Ah, you're talking about the ambassador. I don't understand your question, is he on Hamas's payroll ?
Re the snow, I hate to sound repetitive but real snow is north of your "border"...
#192030 ben Mon Feb 18th 22:02:50 2008
wael
judging by how poorly and stupidly he spoke, yes he sounded as if he was on hamas's payroll.
#192033 Will Mon Feb 18th 22:19:51 2008
judging by how poorly and stupidly he spoke
Sorry Ben, That is the way he speaks and no he's on the Israeli payroll. In fact, ridiculous as it sounds, he's just doing a little thing he likes to call... "his job" .
But your starting to get the point when Israeli apologetics start to appear "stupid and poor" to you.
#192034 Will Mon Feb 18th 22:36:19 2008
OK Wael so if they turned out the lights so The Hizballah men would trip up in the dark, than why did they put the oil slick in the sea ? To make the fish too slippery to catch?
#192036 Will Mon Feb 18th 22:49:00 2008
I would take 20, 30, or 50 years of peace anytime ..
Wael , HS,
It has come up here a hundred times. A truce is not enough, they have to recognise Israel's right to exist. What a crock. That someone should spend day and night demonising and pouring vitriol on the lowlife enemy terrorist, then that the same person should go crying for recognition from the very same beast.
I have lost count of how many times I was told here that it doesnt matter a toss what I think. Israel listens to nobody but itself when it comes to getting security. Then to claim in the next breath that it all depends on what is going on inside the Head of Ismael Haniyeh or Nasrallah or Zuhri "oooh, but do they accept us" ?.
I tell you what, in the famous words of a forum commentator...judging by how poorly and stupidly this contradiction sounds , its as if these people are on hamas's payroll.
#192037 Will Mon Feb 18th 22:59:30 2008
But you are not keeping up Mark. This relates back to the unanswered question of Wael to Ben about Self Defence under Article 51.
When Israel bombed out the Beruit Power Plant it was similarly to stop the Hizballah from getting away in the dark(because they would be afraid of tripping up, I think) with the soldiers they kidnapped. The precision bombing of the fuel tanks there was to make the fish too slippery, I think.
#192038 Will Re Smarter Israelis. Mon Feb 18th 23:06:50 2008
Norman Finkelstein had this to say about the state of the Israeli mindset.
Al Jazeera : George Bush, the US president, has called Iran and North Korea "rogue states". Do you consider Israel a "rogue state"?
Finkelstein: It is more than a rogue state. It is a lunatic state. The only country in the world where the population overwhelmingly supports an attack on Iran is Israel – 78 per cent want to attack Iran. The state has gone berserk. The whole world is yearning for peace, and Israel is constantly yearning for war.
#192039 Wael Mon Feb 18th 23:18:58 2008
Will,
The Gaza power station was bombed to prevent Hamas from smuggling the kidnapped soldier.
The Jieh power station in Lebanon was bombed to prevent Lebanese from watching their favorite night shows, knowing Lebanese as I know them (hey I'm one of them....) entertainment is very important, no ya leil ya ain(see link below) on that dreadful night. As for the oil, there goes a day on the beach (equally as important as the above).
So the ones who don't die are literally "bored the Lebanese to death" for months to come (the secret Israeli plan to eradicate Hizbollah).
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yUpbaITFr0I]
#192040 Will Wael Mon Feb 18th 23:35:02 2008
That Carla Haddad is a fine looking lady. Shouldn't they get a Burkha or something on her before she causes an invasion.
#192041 eugene Mon Feb 18th 23:50:08 2008
So the ones who don't die are literally "bored the Lebanese to death" for months to come
they can always watch al manar tv - i heard it's powered by divine revolutionary electricity coming directly from iran.
#192042 Will Mon Feb 18th 23:56:13 2008
There are only 19 years between the occupations of '48 and '67? At what point do the "squatters rights" kick in? Why should children born in say, Ariel, be any less legit than those born in Ramat Gan? In say, 200 years, will Kiryat Arba be any less "legitimate" and permanent than Kiryat Shmona?
Mark, when a squatters gets a right to live in a place he doesnt get the right to dictate who will govern over him. When those squatters who wish to leave have left then those that are left will be under Palestinian sovereignty.
They break the law they face the consequences.
Thats how it works in the real world.
#192044 eugene cry me a litani Tue Feb 19th 03:56:56 2008
...more "existence" whining from a nuclear regional superpower who can, if it decides to, wipe the Arabs out 10 times in a row.
wael, you must inform these guys of the error of their ways:
"After Nasrallah declared at Mughniyah's funeral in Beirut last week that "Israel will cease to exist," Ibrahim al-Amin, the editor of the pro-Hezbollah daily Al Ahbar, wrote Monday in an editorial that, "The confrontation that began under the title 'destruction of Israel' requires different tools from those [used] in the liberation of territory."
Iran Revolutionary Guards Commander-in-Chief Mohammad Ali Jafari made the comment in a letter to Nasrallah, offering condolences after the killing of Mughniyah. "In the near future, we will witness the destruction of the cancerous germ of Israel by the powerful and competent hands of the Hezbollah combatants," Jafari was quoted as saying.
#192047 ben Tue Feb 19th 06:58:00 2008
wael
Re the snow, I hate to sound repetitive but real snow is north of your "border".
we didn't even get the 20 cm promised. 
#192048 ben Tue Feb 19th 07:00:08 2008
will
israeli apologetics bother me, but not that much. i've grown up hearing people talk about how palestinian terror isn't terror, jewish deaths don't matter in the big scheme of things, human rights is only one consideration, zionist plots, aids laced candies, jews responsible for the every calamity, etc etc etc. after hearing that type of stuff all my life i can live withe ambassador, even if i don't like it.
#192049 ben Tue Feb 19th 08:48:28 2008
Early results show Pakistan opposition parties headed for victory (AP)
#192050 ben Tue Feb 19th 09:08:30 2008
eugene
the quote must be false. norman already declared that the whole world wants peace except for israel. please check your sources.
#192051 ben Tue Feb 19th 09:17:57 2008
from norman:
The whole world is yearning for peace, and Israel is constantly yearning for war.
conflicts outside of the middle east:
Afghanistan: U.S., UK, and Coalition Forces vs. al-Qaeda and Taliban, India vs. Kashmiri separatist groups/Pakistan, India vs. Assam insurgents (various), Indonesia vs. Papua (Irian Jaya) separatists, Philippines vs. Mindanaoan separatists
(MILF/ASG), Sri Lanka vs. Tamil Eelan2, Africa Algeria vs. Armed Islamic Group (GIA), Côte d'Ivoire vs. rebels, Democratic Republic of Congo and allies vs. Rwanda, Uganda, and indigenous rebels, Somalia vs. rival clans and Islamist groups, Sudan vs. Darfur rebel groups, Uganda vs. Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), Europe Russia vs. Chechen separatists, Latin America Colombia vs. National Liberation Army (ELN), Colombia vs. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), Colombia vs. Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia (AUC)
is norman trying to become the new chomsky? the world expert in making ridiculous bombastic statements with no basis in reality, only the speaker's imagination and prejudice? doesn't norman know that there is already a chomsky?
#192052 ben Tue Feb 19th 10:12:28 2008
Fidel Castro announced his resignation as president of Cuba and commander-in-chief of Cuba's military on Tuesday, according to a letter published in the state-run newspaper, Granma
#192053 Will Tue Feb 19th 11:50:13 2008
Yes, I take you point Ben,
Obviously the whole world is not yearning for peace there are faction splinter groups and rebels all over the world looking for this that and the other. But the man's point is that amongst the developed Nations of the world it will be hard to find a war mentality that is on par with 78% of the population wishing to initiate major destructive hostilities with its developed and relatively well armed neighbour in order to overcome what is generally a diplomatic spat at this point in time.
I mean the Yank politicians are up there with the gung ho jingoism, but the people are not as behind their politics as finkelstein's alleged 78% in Israel.
Bombastic ? perhaps.
Unworthy of consideration ? I dont think so.
#192056 ben Tue Feb 19th 13:46:37 2008
amongst the developed Nations of the world it will be hard to find a war mentality that is on par with 78% of the population wishing to initiate major destructive hostilities with its developed and relatively well armed neighbour
the developed nations are not be threatened by said well armed neighbor.
a diplomatic spat
yeah right.
#192057 Ioram Shahar Tue Feb 19th 15:33:08 2008
Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf accepted defeat in the elections. A PML-N/PPP/PML-Q and whatnot coalition?
#192058 ben Tue Feb 19th 15:46:47 2008
ioram
i guess killing the opposition leader doesn't always solve everything.
#192059 Ioram Shahar Tue Feb 19th 17:29:42 2008
Ben
«i guess killing the opposition leader doesn't always solve everything.»
But it makes the killer's in-group feel good about it for a short while.
#192060 Wael Tue Feb 19th 17:34:08 2008
wael, you must inform these guys of the error of their ways
Their way is to play a psychological war, is it working on you Eugene ? is it working on Israelis ? is Ben hiding under his bed ? If wars were fought in words the Arabs would still be an Empire.
The threat to the Zionist state" is first and foremost from within, not from pathetic home made "rockets".
#192061 Wael Tue Feb 19th 17:36:55 2008
the developed nations are not be threatened by said well armed neighbor.
Ben, what neighbor you're talking about ? who from the "neighbors" can even be called "armed" compared to Israel ?
#192062 eugene Tue Feb 19th 17:59:17 2008
Their way is to play a psychological war, is it working on you Eugene ? is it working on Israelis ? is Ben hiding under his bed ?
oof, what a relief...
ben you can come out from under the bed now, wael has informed us israel is going to be just fine it's all empty threats from the innocuous arabs
#192063 ben Tue Feb 19th 18:35:28 2008
wael
cc will
re 061
the question should be asked to will who wrote in 053 wishing to initiate major destructive hostilities with its developed and relatively well armed neighbour
#192064 Will Tue Feb 19th 19:55:07 2008
Ben,
You seem cynical of my description of Iran Israel relations as largely a diplomatic problem. Why may I ask?
#192065 eugene Tue Feb 19th 20:05:19 2008
The threat to the Zionist state" is first and foremost from within, not from pathetic home made "rockets".
1.you missed the first quote on "Zionist state"
2.i wasn't aware that iran/hizbullah and syria rely on home made "rockets"
#192066 Wael Tue Feb 19th 20:40:15 2008
Eugene,
Iranian/Hizbollah rockets/missiles can keep Israelis in underground shelters for months, an "inconvenience" Israelis (after the Lebanese ) have to get used to (we can offer some advice on that front ). However, they don't pose any "existential" threat. The only state in the region that can wipe its enemies out with a push of a button is Israel, so forgive my lack of patience for your continuous whining, save it for gullible Americans.
#192067 eugene Tue Feb 19th 20:50:00 2008
wael, forgive me for trying your patience, but what is an "existential" threat to you?
#192068 Wael Tue Feb 19th 21:03:56 2008
Eugene,
wael has informed us israel is going to be just fine
I didn't inform you of no such thing. IMO, the "Zionist State" has far more greater problems threatening it existence then pathetic rockets/ soviet style missiles or glorious empty speeches from Arab leaders. Rockets can be dangerous, can kill, can keep you in shelter, etc.. but they don't pose an "existential" threat to the sate. The "Jewish State" still have 4 millions unrecognized non-Jewish de-facto subjects to deal with. In a few years, Jews will become a minority west of the Jordan (if they're not already), you live -by the sword- in a sea of Arabs whom you don't seem willing to get in terms with. The rockets are only a minor detail - annoying as it seems- a side effect and in any case not the problem per se. The smart among you know and I doubt they're hiding under their beds.
#192069 eugene Tue Feb 19th 21:13:27 2008
oh, i see, it's the "demographic bomb" you're referring to (aka as "the arab womb")...
#192070 Wael Tue Feb 19th 21:35:07 2008
Eugene,
Call it what you want , it dosen't make any difference. I am refering to the real on the ground reality. The "existantial" threat does not come from the rockets. "If only they stop throwing rockets everything will be fine and dandy"...not true.
#192071 eugene Tue Feb 19th 21:54:58 2008
The smart among you know and I doubt they're hiding under their beds.
i guess the smart ones should be ON the beds trying to offset the demographic bomb
#192072 TestName test@mail.com Tue Feb 19th 22:54:57 2008
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#192073 eugene Tue Feb 19th 23:45:59 2008
to change the focus a little: wael, what's the situation with the presidential election in lebanon? any realistic chance a solution might be found?
#192074 Will Relativity. Wed Feb 20th 03:18:57 2008
Ben, Wael,
cc. 78% of Israelis,
Ben, what neighbor you're talking about ? who from the "neighbors" can even be called "armed" compared to Israel ?
I wasn't comparing Iranian capabilities with Israel and saying they were comparable. Israeli military capability is ultimately equal to American capability, because if you attack Israel you attack America. Its now the 51st state.
Im not talking about that.I'm talking about relativity. Relative to THE Al Aqsa brigade, Hamas, Hizballah, Iran is not a joke of a country to attack.
They have plenty to throw around. Not even counting irregular paramilitary international brigades that will flow into Iraq and elsewhere.
"Relatively" Iran is quite a military force to deal with and only the Chatzpah of US backed Israel can consider making such a careless ploy out of attacking Iran.
Lets face it, do you think 8% of Brits would support attacking Iran and surely the Brits would level Israel's little antheap in the morning if they had to?
But According to Finkelstein, 78% of Israelis want a war with Iran and all the pain that that would bring. That is insane.
#192076 ben Wed Feb 20th 10:17:26 2008
will
You seem cynical of my description of Iran Israel relations as largely a diplomatic problem
malaysia and indonesia have a diplomatic problem with israel. like iran neither of them share a border with israel, neither have been at war with israel, neither are arab nations, etc. yet the president of neither of those nations announces his country's desire to destroy israel.
a diplomatic spat is when two countries argue about a movie, like germany and russia. this is way beyond that.
#192077 Will Ben Wed Feb 20th 13:00:06 2008
If you like, it can be an argument about a movie. Or it can be something a lot more important. Like for instance The Dipolmatic spat between Israel and Egypt over the Gaza border breaches.
One, Egypts voluntary breach, then the Famous Gaza Jailbreak. Now Israels response to this was to cry that the security of the state was being undermined by these ongoing problems and that terroroists could be flooding into Israel as a result of the security breach.
Egypts open border threatening state security - diplomatic spat.
Ahmedinejad ranting about pages of history and occupation regimes - world war crisis ?
Ben , I think the beastliness is in the eye of the beholder.
#192078 george Wed Feb 20th 14:13:09 2008
With any luck, I can continue to annoy whoever it was that complained about mu irrelevancy:
So if this is true, where is the outrage?
english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/EF27747D-DBB7-40DA-B747-21B3CC8BF83E.htm
yalibnan.com/site/archives/2008/02/syrian_border_g.php
#192079 george Wed Feb 20th 14:18:51 2008
Is he just digging himself into a deeper hole? What is he saying? If a heart-surgeon murders his own wife, well, we just have to overlook that because he saves so many lives with his surgeory that he just has to be allowed to continue?
www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1203343712204&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
#192080 ben Wed Feb 20th 14:47:34 2008
Ben , I think the beastliness is in the eye of the beholder
so there you have it. it is not, as finklestein claims, that israelis are war mongers. it is simply that they are the targets of the iranian hostility. the british are not, so they are calmer.
all in the eye of the beholder.
#192081 ben Wed Feb 20th 14:51:08 2008
george
i read the actual interview in maariv. it was not nearly as bad as it sounds. he said that the public, repeat public, has to take everything into consideration when considering its response to the winograd report.he wasn't talking about how he wrote the report.
that is fair. for example, i have taken everything into account and i want olmert out.
#192082 ben Wed Feb 20th 14:53:04 2008
today is purim katan. the real purim is a month away.
what was the miracle of the holiday of purim? that the jews won the war? no. that ester came to their aid? nope.
the miracle was much simpler than that: when mordechai told everyone that haman was planning on killing all of the jews, they believed him. that was the miracle.
#192083 Will Wed Feb 20th 15:39:15 2008
Seems to me that Iranians have a much better reason to consider themsleves "Targets of Hostility" in this case, if Finkelstein's 78% figure is true. In fact, thats his point they are under threat from a "Lunatic State".
Not to mention the yanks with their plans to nuke their bunkers and their aircraft carriers closeby with the actual capability to do it.
#192084 ben Wed Feb 20th 16:09:08 2008
typical will
completely discounts threats to israel and completely validates threats made by israel.
#192086 eugene Wed Feb 20th 16:58:34 2008
completely discounts threats to israel and completely validates threats made by israel.
ben, fear not: rockets might wreak destruction and kill you and eveybody in your neighborhood, but the existence of israel is not threatened by anything except the arab womb...
#192087 Wael Wed Feb 20th 18:10:15 2008
Eugene,
Maybe I haven't made myself clear.
The existence of an "Israeli state" is not threatened by demographics, no state for all its citizen is.
The existence of a nuclear state allied with the worlds only superpower and in possession of the most sophisticated , most lethal, and most effective weapons mankind ever produced is NOT threatened by home made rockets and fifth level non-guided missiles.
#192088 eugene Wed Feb 20th 18:55:26 2008
wael, you've made yourself abundantly clear - that's why i'm so relaxed now
#192089 eugene Wed Feb 20th 19:00:15 2008
apparently the quake also hit jerusalem. i didn't feel it, but it put a hole in the temple mount/al aksa area. of course the waqf blames israel for the damage.
ben, it looks like the jewish waqf has finally found the true reason for the quake:
"Shas MK Shlomo Benizri blamed gays Wednesday for the earthquakes that have shaken the region in recent months, telling a Knesset plenum debate on local authorities' earthquake preparedness that government action on homosexuality would do much to prevent the tremors."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/956334.html
#192093 Will Thu Feb 21st 12:03:09 2008
You can put your straw man away, Ben.
Finkelstein's point is simple 78% of Israelis are looking for a war against Iran, he claims. Taking into account the pasting that the Army took from a malitia in Lebanon, this would seem foolish and irrational, or lunatic as he puts it.
Either you've got somethng to say on that score or not.
#192094 ben Thu Feb 21st 13:52:46 2008
lunatic to the guy who is not being threatened.
#192095 Will Thu Feb 21st 15:08:14 2008
Who is being threatened , with what , by who?
#192096 ben Thu Feb 21st 15:32:45 2008
no one is being threatened. israelis are all a bunch of psychotics who imagine that the holocaust is going to happen again in the next 5 minutes, and that every muslim in the world is a member of the ss. norman said so.
#192097 Will Thu Feb 21st 15:35:53 2008
No he didnt. He said 78% of Israelis wanted to attack Iran and that IHO that consituted lunacy.
#192101 eugene Thu Feb 21st 16:45:42 2008
speaking of lunacy, did anyone watch the full lunar eclipse last night?